Whoever you believe, whatever you think. . . It was some pretty damn interesting television!
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Michael Cohen... sleazebag or patriot?
by Queequeg inso, what do you think?
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fwiw, i say sleazebag....
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Ignorance of Watchtower doctrine among young JW's
by nicolaou ini've been having a conversation with a young jw on twitter and have, once again, come up against beliefs that do not match up with official watchtower doctrine.
if you like you can read the full thread here (you'll need to click on some comments to open it all up).. anyway the upshot is that this jw, and many like her, believe that only truly wicked people will be killed at armageddon - not innocent babies and children or anyone who "didn't know better" perhaps because they didn't get a witness.
it's as though they cannot accept the obvious injustice of jehovah's morality.. this jw teenager believes that all these non-jw's who survive armageddon will get their chance to prove their loyalty during the 1000 year reign of christ - again, not a watchtower teaching.. i don't really have a question to ask, this is just an observation.
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Yeah I wouldn't claim that it's just the yaaang waaaans. . . . it's most JWs.
Another good one to try on them is "Did you know Jesus is not your mediator?"
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Not Corey Booker.
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New Elders Manual Released . Can anyone confirm ?
by Not_Culty inhttps://old.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/an4bnp/new_elders_manual_released/.
post text.. "announcements for february say, in part:.
shepherd and shepherd addendum: we are pleased to inform you that “shepherd the flock of god”—1 peter 5:2 has been completely revised.
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WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF REPUBLIC OF KOREA, INCORPORATED ASSOCIATION
What in the actual fuck is this all about? A legal loophole? "I'm sorry your honor, but that instruction to hide pedos comes directly from the WTBTS of Republic of Korea. We're WTBTS of NY. . .. Keep trying. . . "
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Are the younger generation taking on roles in the Cong?
by purrpurr ini notice that several of the congs i've been to seem to have a majority of the male roles performed by older men.
very few young men are wanting to be ms or elders etc.
it also seems like very few young people are being pioneers either.. would you agree with this?
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I heard that during the last CO visit, he "encouraged" more young men to "step up to the plate" as far as congregation responsibilities. He noted that out of the 8 elders on the elder body, only one is under 50 (he's in his 40s). From what I know about my former cong., the prospects for new, young elders is pretty slim.
As mentioned above, the first problem they have is only 1/3 of all JW kids stay.
On top of that, we're talking about male roles in the cong. (e.g., MS, elder). So cut that 1/3 into 1/6 or less.
Then say that half of that 1/6 never went to school and have low-paying jobs and families to support. Just from a time perspective, even if these were spiritual giants, serving in the congregation is a huge sacrifice, if not impossible from a time perspective.
Then consider the 1/12 who are left who maybe got a little schooling, have a pretty decent job, etc. They all know that becoming an elder not only entails giving up your personal time, but puts you and your entire family in the congregation "spotlight of judgement." So it's not just a matter of you deciding to become an elder -- your whole family is now "Brother So-and-so's family -- and he's an elder!"
I think the upshot here is that the Society -- with their endless rules and requirements (including no women in congregation "roles"); their culture of surveillance and judgement; and their endless assault on education -- have set themselves up to ultimately fail. They are literally going to die out.
'Not with a bang, but a whimper.'
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"Never stop your enemy when he's making a mistake" - Napoleon
by JeffT inso yesterday when i went to the library there were three older gentlemen in suits standing around the front door.
i spotted the stand with the magazines a second or two later.
they were talking among themselves, totally ignoring everybody walking past them.
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I didn't want my words to goad them into some kind of actual activity.
Haha. . . This is great.
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Is Being a “Manly Man” a Bad Thing?
by minimus inso much is said regarding men , in a negative way.
shaving commercials are now lecturing us as to how bad we really are.
men should be less masculine.
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As far as the Gillette commercial: publicity stunt.
Reminds me of when Target announced that they would allow transgender people to use whatever bathroom they identified with. "Look at us! Look how progressive we are!"
If Target really wanted to be progressive, they would pay their employees a living wage and provide heath insurance -- but that would affect their bottom line $$$$$. A bullshit bathroom rule is costs them nothing and gets them tons of free publicity.
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Do You Think Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Believe They Are Living In The Time Of The End?
by minimus ini think they talk a good game and that’s about it..
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To be a JW, you have to be really good at believing in ideas that completely contradict/oppose each other all of the time.
For instance: A friend of my MIL is 85 years old. She will tell you how horrible this system is -- the gays, Putin, Trump blablahblah. Worst time ever to be living. She will also tell you that the new system is just going to be so amazing. Can't wait.
Funny thing is though, her heart is failing and instead of letting nature take its course and leaving this horrible, awful system behind and stepping into a panda-petter's paradise, she has travelled from Florida to NY several times to receive experimental treatment/operations for her heart condition. So does she really believe there is a new system? If she did, why would she be doing this to preserve her life in such an awful "system of things" for a couple years?
So back to the OP: Do they really believe they are living in the time of the end? I honestly think the answer is both Yes and No at the same time.
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THIS IS IT Tony Morris Identifies King of Norht
by scotoma inthis is the announcement we have heard “about” but now it has been released to the whole world.
its in the 2nd of a three part serries about the jw annual meeting (oct 2018).
to minute 52. .
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I wonder what they mean exactly by Russia's allies? - COFTY
Haha. . . I noticed that too. I think that's what you call a "hedge". Russias allies can be whoever they (the GB) need them to be at any given moment.
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"This system will probably be over in about 5 years"
by john.prestor ini don't think i shared this story yet, it's strange and although i did a little detective work trying to figure out who said what and when i never found out much, big surprise, jehovah's witnesses love their secrets as we all know... but i thought other posters might find this interesting both in and of itself, because of what an elder told me one sunday back in 2011, and because of what it could imply as to high-ranking jehovah's witnesses prophesying the date of armageddon.
specific dates went out the window in 1975, although governing body helper ken flodin hinted at 2040 in a talk uploaded to jw.org a couple years back, and the governing body hinted at 2034 in a watchtower back in the 90s.
but it might be, just might, that more specific date-setting still goes on behind closed doors in certain circuits.... so after i went to "meetings" and talked to witnesses for a couple years at a rural congregation in the eastern united states an elder pulled me aside one service into the vestibule at the hall, in other words, into a private area where no one would overhear us.
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Individual JWs set dates because 1) it makes them feel good (e.g., proud they have "special knowledge" no one else has) and 2) they can do it for FREE!!! Making predictions doesn't cost anything.
For instance, I remember my one BIL saying around the time of the 2014 RC ("Celebrating 100 Years of Kingdom Rule!") that this system COULDN'T POSSIBLY be around in 5 years. Whelp, it's now 2019, and this summer will be exactly 5 years from when he said this to me and my wife. . . so I guess there's still some time for his prediction to come true! And as noted above, saying this made him feel good ("I'm such a smart JW! I know something everyone else doesn't know") and his prediction cost him nothing. Will he be embarrassed when 2019 comes and goes without anything happening? Nope. Will he lose his shirt financially if nothing happens in 2019? I don't think so.
So next time he makes a bold claim regarding the end of the world again, I think I'm going to call him on it.
I can't do anything about #1 because he's way smarter and more spiritual than I am. But I could do something about #2.
Next time he says "This system can't last another 5 years" I'm going to say "Cool. I'll buy into that. But let's do this: right now, let's go to a lawyer -- I'll pay -- and we'll draw up an agreement that will come due in exactly 5 years. At that time -- since the New System will be here and you won't have any need for the stuff -- I will take possession of your house, everything in your house, your business and all of your bank accounts. How does that sound?"
You think I can get him to sign the agreement? ;)